We finish off this week with a new addition to our author pages for iconic Canadian poets
bill bissett and
bpNichol: a 1967 interview with the pair by equally iconic poet and broadcaster Phyllis Webb's CBC television program
Extension, which sought to document that country's contemporary poetry scene. The voiceover introducing the episode and its guests is unambiguous in terms of what audiences should expect — "These two poets write sound poems, concrete poems, and just plain poems. They experiment with tape, typography, and the human voice." — and yet it's marvelous to think of the reactions unsuspecting viewers tuning in must have had to their appearance.
The show starts with a polyvocal setting of a piece by nichol concerned with the death of poetry, with bissett wearing a Halloween mask. Webb does an admirable job of translating this sort of unconventional poetry to her audience, speaking to the material interventions of processes like mimeography and foregrounding the performative and interpretive choices present for readers due to word choice and the poem's presentation on the page. This segues into bissett reading his poem "How We Use Our Lungs for Love," which ultimately settles into a cut-time fugue as each syllable spirals skyward. After a brief break the poets discuss the great influence of Allen Ginsberg, in terms of both poetics and lifestyle, particularly in inspiring both to find their own individual voices and styles. In the second clip, the poets discuss the centrality of poetry to their lives as well as the way in which poetry fits into a broader multi-modal aesthetic engagement.
From there, they discuss the burgeoning poetry scene in Vancouver, including their compatriots and collaborators. They highlight the "Poet's Market," which brought out an audience of three thousand people to see two hundred poets reading their work, some with projections or other technological embellishments. Introducing the poem "Night," nichol talks about the spirit of frankness that guides his work: "the reason I got into concrete [poetry] was I always felt kind of that a lot of poets lied, that they said one thing in their poetry and then you'd talk to them and they were an entirely different way. And I wanted to get to the things behind the words, you know? So that I feel that I can say much more than I feel in my poetry now."

Afterwards, Webb asks "Is there any real point in trying to affix a label to a kind of poetry, like concrete poetry, sound poetry . . ." nichol invokes the concept of "border blur," that is an erasure of the boundaries between different aesthetic disciplines and even science and technology. bissett concurs and sees this shift as something thousands of poets worldwide are taking part in, noting of these new poems that "they're not based on the sentence and they're not based on a particular syndrome" before the clip cuts. When the conversation resumes the poets are in the middle of a conversation about tapework, with Webb asking whether the intention is "extending yourself" or "leaving the meaning out of the word," to which nichol replies "it's kind of giving a the voice a different context in which to be heard, like giving it an electronic context and seeing what happens to it." To demonstrate this, nichol plays an excerpt from a taped realization of the fifth sequence of his work Scrapture ("a long prose and comic strip and concrete thing"). that leads Webb to notice that the poets are "getting close to song," with which they agree, with bissett noting that "Mick Jagger is a great poet." They speak more about the diverse arts scene in Vancouver, which they see as something lacking in Toronto, Then bissett sits with legs akimbo on the floor and begins a sound poem performance that brings the recording to a close.
You can watch this fascinating historical document on either poet's PennSound author page. Click
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